These are way, way better than their price would suggest. A nice rich, smooth tone, just slightly dark and dry sounding but decent sustain. They are great in a less rock orientated context but I've found that riding on edges works well in a rock setting given their slight (and it is only slight) thinness which means they don't tend to become overpowering and take up too much space. All in all, very nice. A slightly poorer cousin to Zildjian K's, but one that can still hold his head high.