I bought them for my son and for this price you won't find other cymbals with B20 material, which is practically the standard for top class cymbals. They are of course thinner, so they are not for stronger charging. If you have imagination and ideas and can make some holes and the like, you can make a stack cymbal or any effect type cymbal for a little money and I an sure that will sound better than cheap stacks which are not cheap if you know what I mean. The sound is not bad at all. Better then some mainl classic series which really sounds like crap to me...ear damage. If you are looking for better and thicker low budget B20 cymbals than Zultan manufacturer or Armoni (Sonor) is a top choice. If you have money lying around or you are a professional or want perfect sound then go Sabian AAX, Zildijan,... or something in that range.